government spending is still going at pace and we have plenty of government spending and in fact spent more the fourth quarter last year than the third quarter and spent more than the previous year and never had a real cut in spending in recent history. so i think he's just flat-out wrong. >> chris: but, as a matter -- whether right or wrong, and, you know, it doesn't have anything to do with -- as a matter of practical politics isn't the president putting the republican party in the same spot he successfully put you in during the campaign, he's defending the middle class and you guys are protecting tax breaks for the wealthy? >> right and that is empty and false rhetoric and is our job to explain to the american people, big government doesn't help the poor. big government creates massive debt which causes your prices to rise. your gas price going up, if you make $20,000 a year, and have two kids you are poor and when your gas prices go from 3.20 to 3.80 that is president obama doing that with big government and his debt and if you are a senior citizen trying to save money, when your s